I...dont have a direction any more...no compass point for the blog...insomuch I've pretty much wrapped up the Souvenir...ekphrasis...posts...I thought to run them out for a year...and overshot a bit...
Doing year blogs...y'know...a post everyday for a year...has become a kinda thing to do...though I had no idea such things were in the works when I started...mostly it looks to be photogs over in sites like Flkr that are tasking themselves with doing a photo a day...
In my art classes a refrain by the teacher was that each of us should keep a sketch journal...doing a sketch a day...I did do that...for one semester...and it was just one or two days a week...but I have the journal still...a kinda treasure...and since it has so much to do with being how I got from there to here...I'll scan it in...and maybe task myself for real that sketch a day ordeal!
For now Tree in the Door posts will be kinda sporadic...I have some mundane tasks to do...like housecleaning...going to the Optometrist..and a Giants baseball game next week!
Fauna and Flora...as I suspected it would..has taken on a life of it's own..."It tasks me, Ahab!"
One should be so lucky to have such a task!..
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By heavens man, we are turned round and round in this world, like yonder windlass, and fate is the handspike.
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DavidDavid
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Friday, May 9, 2008
Thursday, May 8, 2008
Ussher Time Line
I got another assignment...look up Ussher's Time Line...there's some question of who comes first...the Sumerian tale of Noah...well...they're Noah...or the Jewish Noah...
PBS story on Hot Dogs..now NOVA with tale of the four winged dinosaur...a must see...Mirco Raptor...think that's it...
but to Ussher...brb...
well...I knew of this...and it's fun to read!...but not much help with Noah...2348BC
brb...the Sumerian story look to be in 2ooo bc or so...but cant nail it down...
and here on amazon is the time chart...
I'll have to look close at the Brown Creepers...
DavidDavid
Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Adam and Eve
NBA was on...now Friends...
I thought a bit on Adam's and Eve's tombs...looked them up before...part of a Wahabi web search back during 911 aftermath...brb...
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Ibn Jubayr (twelfth century) mentions only an old dome, “built upon the place where Eve stopped on the way to Meccah.” Yet Al-Idrisi (A.D. 1154) declares Eve’s grave to be at Jeddah. Abd al-Karim (1742) compares it to a parterre, with a little dome in the centre, and the extremities ending in barriers of palisades; the circumference was a hundred and ninety of his steps. In Rooke’s Travels we are told that the tomb is twenty feet long. Ali Bey, who twice visited Jeddah, makes no allusion to it; we may therefore conclude that it had been destroyed by the Wahhabis. Burckhardt, who, I need scarcely say, has been carefully copied by our popular authors, was informed that it was a “rude structure of stone, about four feet in length, two or three feet in height, and as many in breadth”; thus resembling the tomb of Noah, seen in the valley of Al-Buka’a in Syria. Bruce writes: “Two days’ journey from this place (? Meccah or Jeddah) Eve’s grave, of green sods, about fifty yards in length, is shown to this day”; but the great traveller probably never issued from the town-gates. And Sir W. Harris, who could not have visited the Holy Place, repeats, in 1840, that Eve’s grave of green sod is still shown on the barren shore of the Red Sea.” The present structure is clearly modern; anciently, I was told at Jeddah, the sepulchre consisted of a stone at the head, a second at the feet, and the navel-dome.
The idol of Jeddah, in the days of Arab litholatry, was called Sakhrah Tawilah, the Long Stone. May not this stone of Eve be the Moslemized revival of the old idolatry? It is to be observed that the Arabs, if the tombs be admitted as evidence, are inconsistent in their dimensions of the patriarchal stature. The sepulchre of Adam at the Masjid al-Khayf is, like that of Eve, gigantic. That of Noah at Al-Buka’a is a bit of Aqueduct thirty-eight paces long by one and a half wide. Job’s tomb near Hulah (seven parasangs from Kerbela) is small. I have not seen the grave of Moses (south-east of the Red Sea), which is becoming known by the bitumen cups there sold to pilgrims. But Aaron’s sepulchre in the Sinaitic peninsula is of moderate dimensions.
The idol of Jeddah, in the days of Arab litholatry, was called Sakhrah Tawilah, the Long Stone. May not this stone of Eve be the Moslemized revival of the old idolatry? It is to be observed that the Arabs, if the tombs be admitted as evidence, are inconsistent in their dimensions of the patriarchal stature. The sepulchre of Adam at the Masjid al-Khayf is, like that of Eve, gigantic. That of Noah at Al-Buka’a is a bit of Aqueduct thirty-eight paces long by one and a half wide. Job’s tomb near Hulah (seven parasangs from Kerbela) is small. I have not seen the grave of Moses (south-east of the Red Sea), which is becoming known by the bitumen cups there sold to pilgrims. But Aaron’s sepulchre in the Sinaitic peninsula is of moderate dimensions.
Richard Burton
Pilgrimage to Al-Madinah and Meccah
Pilgrimage to Al-Madinah and Meccah
lemesee what Sir Richard says about the Kaaba...brb...
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So the Persian poet Khakani addresses these two buildings:—
“O Ka’abah, thou traveller of the heavens!”
“O Ka’abah, thou traveller of the heavens!”
“O Venus, thou fire of the world!”
and
And Al-Shahristani informs us that the Arab philosophers believed this sevenfold circumambulation to be symbolical of the motion of the planets round the sun.
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Sir Richard seems to have visited the place in the company of 'Kim'!
but back to Adam and Eve and their tombs...
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To His Majesty Ibn Saud, warlike Sultan of Nejd and King of the Hejaz, came tidings last week of his flourishing son the Amir Faisal, 19-year-old Viceroy of the Hejaz. The tidings were conveyed 500 miles by motor caravan from the Red Sea town of Jidda in the Hejaz, to the Sultan's inland capital, Riyadh, in Nejd. There was it made known that the enlightened son & Viceroy had finally caused to be obliterated that notorious imposture, "The Tomb of Mother Eve," at Jidda.
Quaint, but probably constructed within the last millenium, the bogus "tomb" was an enclosure whose walls marked the outline of a supposedly buried female of gigantic stature. At the head was a raised mound. Midway in the enclosure rose a small whitewashed dome, protecting from the elements a mystic black stone, El Surrah.
Doubtless the young Viceroy Faisal has learned on his two recent trips to England that El Surrah, the navel, is taboo among moderns. Last week he could point with pride to the demolition of the entire "tomb," and to the removal among the debris of El Surrah.
Quaint, but probably constructed within the last millenium, the bogus "tomb" was an enclosure whose walls marked the outline of a supposedly buried female of gigantic stature. At the head was a raised mound. Midway in the enclosure rose a small whitewashed dome, protecting from the elements a mystic black stone, El Surrah.
Doubtless the young Viceroy Faisal has learned on his two recent trips to England that El Surrah, the navel, is taboo among moderns. Last week he could point with pride to the demolition of the entire "tomb," and to the removal among the debris of El Surrah.
Time
El Surrah?
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The tomb is a walled enclosure said to represent the dimensions of the body, about 200 paces long and 15 ft. broad. At the head is a small erection where gifts are deposited, and rather more than half-way down a whitewashed dome encloses a small dark chapel within which is the black stone known as El Surrah, the navel. The grave of Eve is mentioned by Edrisi, but except the black stone nothing bears any aspect of antiquity (see Burton's Pilgrimage, vol. ii.).
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That last account from 1911!
brb...
This site has a tour account of Jeddah...and a bit on Eve's tomb...and a pic of a sculpture that looks like the calligraphy on Idries Shah's The Sufis...apparently a common imagery!
well..where was Adam buried?...
this site has list!
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There are at least two explanations for the etymology of the name 'Jeddah'. One is that name means "seashore," since Jeddah is located along the Red Sea coast and is Saudi Arabia's most important commercial port. The more common account has it that the name is derived from jaddah, the Arabic word for "grandmother". According to eastern folk belief, the tomb of Eve (21°29′31″N 39°11′24″E / 21.49194, 39.19), considered the grandmother of humanity, is located in Jeddah. The supposed "Eve Grave" was sealed with concrete by the religious authorities in 1975 as a result of some Muslim pilgrims breaking Islamic tradition by praying at Eve's tomb.
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Adam and Eve by Gustave Klimt
Well...a brief note...this "Souvenir"....is a year old...actually the first post was March 22...but...if I have it right!...May 8 I posted Pocket Pair...which got things started...thought to do a post with beeps and whistles...a music video of 99 Red Balloons...with a kaleidoscope of the images I've snagged...someones probably done something similar...save me the work...brb...
search youtube: 99 red balloons
Oh!...'Pocket Pair' was April 8...well...I thought to call it all a "Year and a Day"...which can be modified to..."A Year and a Month"...in the Incomparable Valley...
DavidDavid
Tuesday, May 6, 2008
The Cube Ship
http://simplymissional.com/2008/05/06/pray-for-mynamar/
Ziusudra...brb....here's wiki...the King is the Sumerian "Noah"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
wiki doesn't give the dimensions of the ship...which are in the Children of Noah book...and I'm trying to confirm them...brb...another take...
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/569052
but no dimensions...brb...
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O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu: Tear down the house and build a boat! Abandon wealth and seek living beings! Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings! Make all living beings go up into the boat. The boat which you are to build, its dimensions must measure equal to each other: its length must correspond to its width. Roof it over like the Apsu.
and
On the fifth day I laid out her exterior.It was a field in area,its walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height,the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times It cubits each.I laid out its (interior) structure and drew a picture of it (?).I provided it with six decks,thus dividing it into seven (levels).
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm
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What caught my eye here is that the Ark...is a cube...and Patai says this is nonsense and goes on to show how Noah's Ark has standard ship proportions...though very large!...brb...well...it's catches other writer's attention too...
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The Old Testament describes it as a rectangular box with straight sides, no bow, no keel or hull. In fact the Hebrew word used for the ship is that of a box or container. However, the Hebrews can be excused for their preposterous interpretation since they were a land-locked people and had little, if any, experience with ships.
But that is no excuse for the description of the Ark in the Sumerian account of the Deluge. There is is depicted as a cube, if the translators are to be believed. This is not very convincing in view of the fact that the Mesopotamians were a sea-going nation. Sumerians and later peoples were well acquainted with the principles of ship building and seaworthiness. All Sumerian cities had access to the sea and sea-going ships are often described at anchor at these Sumerian ports.
Obviously, there is something amiss in the Sumerian accounts or in the translation and interpretation of the text that is provided. For a sea-going people to describe the Ark as a cube is completely nonsensical.
and
Unlike the three decks of the ark of Noah, the ark of Utnapishtim has seven decks and is then divided into nine sections or compartments. It had a door and some sort of window as well. Traditional translations reports the craft as being an exact cube, with the height, length, and width each being 120 cubits. Since the Akkadian cubit was 20 inches [46 centimeters], the craft would be a perfect cube 200 feet [72 meters] on each side.
and
In modern terms we would describe them as fuel rods since they were associated with the propulsion system of a ship. In this sense, they could be either fuel rods inserted into a nuclear reactor in order to control its energy output or, more probably, tubes or rods filled with solid propellant used in some sort of rocket propulsion system.
FLYING SERPENTS AND DRAGONS
By R. A. Boulay ©1990
Editorial Comments By Roberto Solàrion ©1997
*
Chapter 13
WAS NOAH'S ARK A SAUCER-SHAPED SUBMERSIBLE?
http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=1353183080129161917
well...the author is postulating that the Ark was a spaceship....a many time told tale in Science Fiction...a Generation Ship....but their version seems to be an earthbound saucer...but to continue now for a 'cube ship'...but first..a look at the "People of the Ship"...cube...brb...well...I snagged it from ebay...the cover to Idries Shah's The Sufis....he explains inside that the calligraphy represents in "concrete poem" fashion people aboard a ship...dont have the book...oh..I'll have to retrieve it from ebay...but anyway...there was this notion of either people on a ship..or people waiting for the return of a ship..or something...but..brb...
oh...Hamlet's Mill is on the web...
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The first ark was built by Utnapishtim in the Sumerian myth; one learns in different ways that it was a cube-a modest one, measuring 60 x 60 x 60 fathoms, which represents the unit in the sexagesimal system where 60 is written as 1. In another version, there is no ark, just a cubic stone, upon which rests a pillar which reaches from earth to heaven. The stone, cubic or not, is lying under a cedar, or an oak, ready to let loose a flood, without obvious reasons.
Confusing as it is, this seems to provide the new theme. In Jewish legends, it is told that "since the ark disappeared there was a stone in its place. . . which was called foundation stone." It was called foundation stone "because from it the world was founded [or started]." And it is said to lie above the Waters that are below the Holy of Holies.
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This might look like a dream sequence, but it is buttressed by a very substantial tradition, taken up by the Jews but to be found also in Finno-Ugrian tradition [n17 L. Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews (1954), vol. 4, p. 96; cf. also vol. 1, p. 12; vol. 5, p. 14. We are indebted to Irvin N. Asher for the quotation, as well as for the ones from Jastrow that follow. Cf. V. J. Mansikka, "Der blaue Stein," FUF 11 (1911), p. 2.]. The Jewish story then goes on:
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When David was digging the foundations of the Temple, a shard was found at a depth of 1500 cubits. David was about to lift it when the shard exclaimed: "Thou canst not do it." "Why not?" asked David. "Because I rest upon the abyss." "Since when?" "Since the hour in which the voice of God was heard to utter the words from Sinai, 'I am the Lord, your God,' causing the world to quake and sink into the Abyss. I lie here to cover up the Abyss."
The humble little shard was brought in by pious legend to try to say that what counted was the power of the Holy Name. But the real thing was the cube: either as Utnapishtim's ark or, in other versions, as a stone upon which rests a pillar which reaches from earth to heaven. Even Christ is compared to "a cube-shaped mountain, upon which a tower is erected." [n20 In the ninth simile of the "Pastor of Hermas," according to F. Kampers (Vom Werdegange der abendlandischen Kaisermystik [1924], p. 53).]. Hocart writes that "the Sinhalese frequently placed inside their topes a square stone representing Meru. If they placed in the center of a tope a stone representing the center of the world it must have been that they took the tope to represent the world" [n21 Kingship, p. 179 (quoted by P. Mus, Barabudur [1935], p. 108, n. 1).]—which goes without saying. But it is said otherwise that this stone, the foundation stone, lies under a great tree, and that from under the stone "a wave rose up to the sky."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hamlets_mill/hamletmill15.htm
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There is a famous cube space ship in the Star Trek story...the dreaded Borg ship...I told a friend once..."Those first episodes about the Borg are one of the few time that I've seen this science ficiton tale have real menace in it."brb...
here's some generation ships...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
missing from the list is...
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In the savage world of the Greene tribe, losing a woman was unforgivable, and Roy had lost his while hunting in the jungle called "the ponics". Disgraced, isolated, he joined the disreputable priest Marapper on a forbidden expedition through Deadways to find the legendary land of Forwards. They were to meet mutants, giants, regimented rats and telepathic rabbits, and the fabled Outsiders. Finally they would confront a secret kept hidden for 23 generations - a secret whose discovery would reveal their origins and destiny even as it destroyed their world!
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/brian-aldiss/starship.htm
unquote
Prominant in that story is how general knowledge of the environment...where they actually are...has become partly forgotten and garbled...
Suffice to say that the KAABA Cube may represent Noah's Ark...and the whole tale a garbled memory of a spaceship.
Add to this is that monotheism is self similar to ship board hierarchy..the captain officers crew passengers...and the layout of churches...pews with an alter with priest...to airliners...the priest with back to the congregation...praying to the alter...the alter often with elaborate decoration...to pilots before their controls....this to say Churches resemble ships...the priesthoods captain and ship crew...curiously...I grew up going to a Lutheran Protestant church, which, in memory of Viking Scandanavian heritage, had a roof that looked like a planked Viking ship turned upside down...I used to look up at the ceiling and count the planks during services!
The Earth itself is of course the Ark floating in Space....something that was garbled until Apollo 11 Earthrise from Moon pic!
Apsu?..brb...
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Lakes, springs, rivers, wells, and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the apsû.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aps%C3%BB
unquote
And a thread page that wonders about the same thing!...
quote
Now, Ea (Enki) does dwell, in myths, _in the deep_ (the depths of the Apsu, the freshwater ocean the earth floats upon, in his rectangular cubicle or Apsu dwelling). I thus understand, the Mesopotamian Noah is in a sense dwelling in a seaworthy model of Ea's Apsu house. While in this model of Ea's dwelling, perhaps he was envisioned as being under Ea's divine protection from the flood ?
https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2005-August/019284.html
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DavidDavid
Ziusudra...brb....here's wiki...the King is the Sumerian "Noah"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
wiki doesn't give the dimensions of the ship...which are in the Children of Noah book...and I'm trying to confirm them...brb...another take...
http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/569052
but no dimensions...brb...
quote
O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu: Tear down the house and build a boat! Abandon wealth and seek living beings! Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings! Make all living beings go up into the boat. The boat which you are to build, its dimensions must measure equal to each other: its length must correspond to its width. Roof it over like the Apsu.
and
On the fifth day I laid out her exterior.It was a field in area,its walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height,the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times It cubits each.I laid out its (interior) structure and drew a picture of it (?).I provided it with six decks,thus dividing it into seven (levels).
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm
unquote
What caught my eye here is that the Ark...is a cube...and Patai says this is nonsense and goes on to show how Noah's Ark has standard ship proportions...though very large!...brb...well...it's catches other writer's attention too...
quote
The Old Testament describes it as a rectangular box with straight sides, no bow, no keel or hull. In fact the Hebrew word used for the ship is that of a box or container. However, the Hebrews can be excused for their preposterous interpretation since they were a land-locked people and had little, if any, experience with ships.
But that is no excuse for the description of the Ark in the Sumerian account of the Deluge. There is is depicted as a cube, if the translators are to be believed. This is not very convincing in view of the fact that the Mesopotamians were a sea-going nation. Sumerians and later peoples were well acquainted with the principles of ship building and seaworthiness. All Sumerian cities had access to the sea and sea-going ships are often described at anchor at these Sumerian ports.
Obviously, there is something amiss in the Sumerian accounts or in the translation and interpretation of the text that is provided. For a sea-going people to describe the Ark as a cube is completely nonsensical.
and
Unlike the three decks of the ark of Noah, the ark of Utnapishtim has seven decks and is then divided into nine sections or compartments. It had a door and some sort of window as well. Traditional translations reports the craft as being an exact cube, with the height, length, and width each being 120 cubits. Since the Akkadian cubit was 20 inches [46 centimeters], the craft would be a perfect cube 200 feet [72 meters] on each side.
and
In modern terms we would describe them as fuel rods since they were associated with the propulsion system of a ship. In this sense, they could be either fuel rods inserted into a nuclear reactor in order to control its energy output or, more probably, tubes or rods filled with solid propellant used in some sort of rocket propulsion system.
FLYING SERPENTS AND DRAGONS
By R. A. Boulay ©1990
Editorial Comments By Roberto Solàrion ©1997
*
Chapter 13
WAS NOAH'S ARK A SAUCER-SHAPED SUBMERSIBLE?
http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=1353183080129161917
well...the author is postulating that the Ark was a spaceship....a many time told tale in Science Fiction...a Generation Ship....but their version seems to be an earthbound saucer...but to continue now for a 'cube ship'...but first..a look at the "People of the Ship"...cube...brb...well...I snagged it from ebay...the cover to Idries Shah's The Sufis....he explains inside that the calligraphy represents in "concrete poem" fashion people aboard a ship...dont have the book...oh..I'll have to retrieve it from ebay...but anyway...there was this notion of either people on a ship..or people waiting for the return of a ship..or something...but..brb...
oh...Hamlet's Mill is on the web...
quote
The first ark was built by Utnapishtim in the Sumerian myth; one learns in different ways that it was a cube-a modest one, measuring 60 x 60 x 60 fathoms, which represents the unit in the sexagesimal system where 60 is written as 1. In another version, there is no ark, just a cubic stone, upon which rests a pillar which reaches from earth to heaven. The stone, cubic or not, is lying under a cedar, or an oak, ready to let loose a flood, without obvious reasons.
Confusing as it is, this seems to provide the new theme. In Jewish legends, it is told that "since the ark disappeared there was a stone in its place. . . which was called foundation stone." It was called foundation stone "because from it the world was founded [or started]." And it is said to lie above the Waters that are below the Holy of Holies.
220
This might look like a dream sequence, but it is buttressed by a very substantial tradition, taken up by the Jews but to be found also in Finno-Ugrian tradition [n17 L. Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews (1954), vol. 4, p. 96; cf. also vol. 1, p. 12; vol. 5, p. 14. We are indebted to Irvin N. Asher for the quotation, as well as for the ones from Jastrow that follow. Cf. V. J. Mansikka, "Der blaue Stein," FUF 11 (1911), p. 2.]. The Jewish story then goes on:
skip and
When David was digging the foundations of the Temple, a shard was found at a depth of 1500 cubits. David was about to lift it when the shard exclaimed: "Thou canst not do it." "Why not?" asked David. "Because I rest upon the abyss." "Since when?" "Since the hour in which the voice of God was heard to utter the words from Sinai, 'I am the Lord, your God,' causing the world to quake and sink into the Abyss. I lie here to cover up the Abyss."
The humble little shard was brought in by pious legend to try to say that what counted was the power of the Holy Name. But the real thing was the cube: either as Utnapishtim's ark or, in other versions, as a stone upon which rests a pillar which reaches from earth to heaven. Even Christ is compared to "a cube-shaped mountain, upon which a tower is erected." [n20 In the ninth simile of the "Pastor of Hermas," according to F. Kampers (Vom Werdegange der abendlandischen Kaisermystik [1924], p. 53).]. Hocart writes that "the Sinhalese frequently placed inside their topes a square stone representing Meru. If they placed in the center of a tope a stone representing the center of the world it must have been that they took the tope to represent the world" [n21 Kingship, p. 179 (quoted by P. Mus, Barabudur [1935], p. 108, n. 1).]—which goes without saying. But it is said otherwise that this stone, the foundation stone, lies under a great tree, and that from under the stone "a wave rose up to the sky."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hamlets_mill/hamletmill15.htm
unquote
There is a famous cube space ship in the Star Trek story...the dreaded Borg ship...I told a friend once..."Those first episodes about the Borg are one of the few time that I've seen this science ficiton tale have real menace in it."brb...
here's some generation ships...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
missing from the list is...
quote
In the savage world of the Greene tribe, losing a woman was unforgivable, and Roy had lost his while hunting in the jungle called "the ponics". Disgraced, isolated, he joined the disreputable priest Marapper on a forbidden expedition through Deadways to find the legendary land of Forwards. They were to meet mutants, giants, regimented rats and telepathic rabbits, and the fabled Outsiders. Finally they would confront a secret kept hidden for 23 generations - a secret whose discovery would reveal their origins and destiny even as it destroyed their world!
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/brian-aldiss/starship.htm
unquote
Prominant in that story is how general knowledge of the environment...where they actually are...has become partly forgotten and garbled...
Suffice to say that the KAABA Cube may represent Noah's Ark...and the whole tale a garbled memory of a spaceship.
Add to this is that monotheism is self similar to ship board hierarchy..the captain officers crew passengers...and the layout of churches...pews with an alter with priest...to airliners...the priest with back to the congregation...praying to the alter...the alter often with elaborate decoration...to pilots before their controls....this to say Churches resemble ships...the priesthoods captain and ship crew...curiously...I grew up going to a Lutheran Protestant church, which, in memory of Viking Scandanavian heritage, had a roof that looked like a planked Viking ship turned upside down...I used to look up at the ceiling and count the planks during services!
The Earth itself is of course the Ark floating in Space....something that was garbled until Apollo 11 Earthrise from Moon pic!
Apsu?..brb...
quote
Lakes, springs, rivers, wells, and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the apsû.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aps%C3%BB
unquote
And a thread page that wonders about the same thing!...
quote
Now, Ea (Enki) does dwell, in myths, _in the deep_ (the depths of the Apsu, the freshwater ocean the earth floats upon, in his rectangular cubicle or Apsu dwelling). I thus understand, the Mesopotamian Noah is in a sense dwelling in a seaworthy model of Ea's Apsu house. While in this model of Ea's dwelling, perhaps he was envisioned as being under Ea's divine protection from the flood ?
https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2005-August/019284.html
unquote
DavidDavid
Monday, May 5, 2008
Ships of Tarshish
The lawyer show...Law and Order...was on....animal rights trial...defense was animals have rights and so can be justifiably defended...defendant stole monkeys from lab and one bit someone...and the experimental virus in the monkey caused the victim's death...well...that was all a complicated forum to try and come to grips with...'do animals have a soul?'....comparing the dilemma to the plight of American slaves didn't win the case!...the prosecution pointed out the rats carrying bubonic plague are killed mercilessly...and that's a good point....people do have the 'right' to defend themselves against menacing animals...and plants...and bugs and viruses...and surely these all...indeed all Nature...shows little regard for human suffering...which...is one of the big mysteries!...when I come to this point I always think of the movie where the vacationing family finds Bigfoot and brings him home...at first they are fearful...and cruel...but come to know the big fella...and become fast friends...brb...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092657/
Often in war the enemy is "demonized"....seen as menacing animals...
quote
During World War I, the German threat was depicted as a mad, marauding gorilla with a bloody club.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79071
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If I remember right...Diane Fosse did much to try and elevate our opinion of gorillas!
I think animal planet is on now...and appropriately they are eradicating rats!...and killer bees and roaches...
but to the Ships of Tarshish...the book 'Children of Noah'...came...and I've just read the intros and preface so far....but took note of Tarshish...I have some 'theories' about all this!...but will wait to read the whole book...brb...
for goodness sake...there's a kinda 'save the children' like charity to provide passage for Soviet Jews to come to Israel...and uses passages from Ezekiel and Isaiah...proclaiming prophecies are coming true...and you can contribute!...
http://www.tarshish.org.il/Tarshish%20Ship.htm
but that's a whole 'nother thing...brb...
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As a result of creating the Ships of Antiquity I have concluded that probably no other technology in the history of man has been more important to the spread of civilization, culture and trade in the world than that of the seafaring ship.
Ancient Ships: The Ships of Antiquity
Ancient Ships in art history: The navy of King Solomon and Isreal
http://www.artsales.com/ARTistory/Ancient_Ships/11_solomons_navy.html
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a nice page!!
That's kinda my thought too!...and was working with it in the canoe posts...anyway...for later...oh...the show had the Ghandi quote...brb...
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“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”
Ghandi
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_greatness_of_a_nation_and_its_moral_progress/189870.html
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on the TV...
They're giggling doing the roaches...
Do you kill them?
I never kill them..I just send them on their merry way...
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The pioneer immigrants brought their foul European diseases with them. Aboard their ships, filthy water and human and animal wastes sloshed around in the bilges for a month or more. Men and women who were healthy when they left Europe were sick when they landed —not only from malnutrition but also from infections picked up at sea. Some, such as smallpox, malaria and measles, proved effective biological-warfare weapons, ravaging the Indians, who had no immunity against them. But most of the disease-causing microbes of the Old World took readily to the fertile soil of the New World, and so did the insects and vermin that carry them. The result: for fully three centuries, North America was scourged by deadly epidemics.
Plagues of the Past
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,914554,00.html?promoid=googlep
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DavidDavid
Sunday, May 4, 2008
Dawn Chorus Day
TV back...out in the Sahara....about Rhinos on Animal Planet...rock drawing of rhino...oh..Wild Kingdom...
I read about the Dawn Chorus in the Chronicle..I think...a few weeks back...and was much taken with the story...as every Memorial Day when I get up before dawn for my hike...the Birds in the backyard...are singing and give me a send off!...and I filed away to look Dawn Chorus up...and last night after posting...I looked it up...and lo and behold...May Fourth is Dawn Chorus Day!....so I got up at four am and did...what I suppose everybody does to celebrate this day...listen for the Birds....it's a neat thing to do...and very glad I found the tale...brb...
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Dawn chorus of birds makes spring really sing
Jerry George
Saturday, April 12, 2008
If you want to experience one of the great treats of nature, take yourself to any tree-shrouded waterway an hour before sunrise. Don't cheat on the time. The chorus is best experienced when you hear the whole show.
International Dawn Chorus Day is the worldwide celebration of Nature's daily Miracle. This year there will be more opportunities than ever to join in the excitement. In the run up to the event events from all over the world and across the UK will be listed on this website, so visit us regularly to see what's planned in your area.
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I was a little late!...to register...but will be better prepared next time!...now...I'm curious what'a up in blogdom and youtubers...Dawn Chorus wise...brb...oh..now I have note telling I'm unhooked from blogger...now it's saved!...hehe..anyway..brb....well...here's one blog...this is really cool by the way that the blogs are reporting!...search google blogger "dawn chorus"...
I'll have a look at youtube now and grab one!...brb...well...that one's not so simple...there's a song titled Dawn Chorus that skews the search...dawn chorus birds youtube brings things up...and this one has more links...I'd like to find just a little one to link!...
well...I'll just link myself!...
but let me find someones'...brb...
oh...this is very good!
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hen American explorers Lewis and Clark navigated the Columbia River in 1805, they first heard the roar of the Pacific Ocean 29 km from the coast--a distance so great that many historians have questioned its accuracy. No such doubts trouble Gordon Hempton, a 45-year-old professional sound collector who won an Emmy Award in 1992 for his Vanishing Dawn Chorus, a recording of the sounds of sunrise from around the globe.
A Voice Crying In The Wilderness
By DAN CRAY /LOS ANGELES
By DAN CRAY /LOS ANGELES
here's link to Hempton's site...
brb...here's one...finally!
went to youtube...then searched...dawn chorus birds...of course there's some others!
well...I could go on..but sleepy!
DavidDavid
Saturday, May 3, 2008
Hidden Hand
TV still broke....y'know...last night looking up after posting some more on 'spontaneous conspiracies'...I found myself reading Adam Smith and his bit on the 'hidden hand'...since the economy is in the news...an appropriate thought thread!!...brb...
quote...quoted in another blog!..
As every individual, therefore, endeavours as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. [The Wealth of Nations, IV.2.9]
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dont know but some 'hidden hands' are way too busy blogging!
anyway..what I was thinking...well first I recollected that movie The Postman and the notion of a 'headless conspiracy'...brb...
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The year is 2013 and war has crippled the earth. Into this apocalyptic wasteland comes an enigmatic and initially nameless drifter (Kevin Costner), with his mule named Bill and a talent for Shakespeare.
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brb...
well..I'll have to watch the movie again to remember how I derived "headless conspiracy' from it...and actually there's one going on right now..the enemy Taliban with bin Laden have somehow managed to decentralize themselves so that they crop up spontaneously here and there..."it's like they get together for pick up basketball" one tv panel talker put it...exactly...shooting at US has become a kinda sport.
Anyway...somewhere from all this I'm trying to articulate the notion of conspiracies that have no top down hierarchies...or hard links between members...but rather just sprout up...like fads..hoola hoop like....fans of RockandRoll singers dont think of themselves conspiring...but to critics of the movement...dastardly record burners!...they see the whole pop culture as a conspiracy...and indeed....'from a distance'...fandoms are very conspiracy looking...
And all over the country the awful self similar shooting and mayhem and gangland culture that is besetting...looks...like a conspiracy...but...it's headless...
there is a military tactic...a gureilla war sorta things...that is exactly like this...brb...
well..I just cant recollect and too late to go through old posts that have it!...meanwhile...wiki provides a list!
a pinpoint
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he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention.
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well...that is very much what the critters do!...they pursue without wavering their own lives...yet somehow they contribute to the wider 'ecosystem'...which 'from a distance'...appears as God's handiwork....the Ultimate Conspirator I'd say!...and all this is likely why Muir had the notion that God made Creation...and then let Creation go it's way...which I kinda like too...anyway..
a conspiracy can motivate people..for good or bad...from a wide range of inputs...some so subtle and fleeting that it's very hard to pin down if they are indeed an influence...on say.... someone's need to collect baseball cards!
Bette Midler on youtube "From a Distance"
One should read Adam Smith with Baseball Cards in mind!!
another pinpoint
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By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it.
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which makes me wonder if I should just chuck it all and 'follow your bliss'....
sigh...
DavidDavid
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