Geronimo is on....I saw this once and didn't much like it...
Lemego see if I can find a meaning for "stealing someone's thunder"...
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The story that lies behind 'stealing someone's thunder' is that of the literary critic and largely unsuccessful playwright, John Dennis. In 1704, Dennis's play Appius and Virginia was produced at the Drury Lane Theatre, London and he invented a new method of creating the sound of thunder for the production. We don't know now what this method was (some texts say it was a refinement of the mustard bowl referred to by Pope, in which metal balls were rolled around in a wooden bowl), but it is reported that after Appius and Virginia failed and was closed, the method was soon afterwards used in a production of Macbeth. Dennis was less than pleased at having his idea purloined and this account of his response was recorded by the literary scholar Joseph Spence (1699–1768) and later quoted in W. S. Walsh's Literary Curiosities, 1893:
"Damn them! They will not let my play run, but they steal my thunder."
"Damn them! They will not let my play run, but they steal my thunder."
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Well, I've gone and snagged the meaning...and...stolen a bit of thunder too!
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"Plagiarism is the basis of all culture." Seeger quoting his father.
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That's Pete Seeger...
But today on thinking on this I was thinking about something the ancients did when involved with conflicts...wars...they would try to steal one another gods...it has a name...starts with an e...and this is going to take some doing to find it again!...brb...found it...
it's a thread about elicio...brb...
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In ancient times it was believed that names had power. The names of gods were always hidden. The Romans had a practice called "elicio", in which they sought to learn the names of enemy gods and cajole those deities into siding with Rome. (For more on this, see my column "Elicio et Vinca".)
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from another thread...lemesee if I can find the column!...haven't yet found an explanation that sings...well..I'd had it...it's at the top of an elicio search...
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The Romans followed a practice reminiscent of this. It was called elicio. Roman priests cajoled the enemy's deities, offering temples and sacrifices if they would abandon their people and side with Rome. The Romans kept their word. Temples were built and maintained at public expense. The Campus Martius, in particular, was strewn with deities like toys litter a spoiled kid's room.
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go see what the Campus is...oh...it's called the Field of Mars...and wikis has it's history...
brb...Robert Graves quotes and uses the following...in the context of how one religion supplants another...I didn't know it was a quote!...thought it was his line...but that's why I like Graves...he is like link central to all manner of things!...
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Conquering kings their titles take,from the foes they captive make;
Jesus, by a nobler deed,from the thousands he hath freed.
- Nevers Breviary, 1727, trans. John Chandler, 1837
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this blog snagged that quote!
lemego get Nevers Breviary!...
occasionally glancing at Geromimo...and it's silly take on Indian Neolithicness!
But actually the film is going over an "elicio' circumstance the Romans would appreciate...
but the Breviary...makes me think of av iary!...brb
It's loud...and it's a hymn!
Well...here's "Nevers"
and Breviary...
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The canonical hours of the Breviary owe their remote origin to the Old Covenant when God commanded the Aaronic priests to offer morning and evening sacrifices. Other inspiration may have come from David's words in the Psalms "Seven times a day I praise you" (Ps. 119:164), as well as, "the just man meditates on the law day and night" (Ps. 1:2).
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Old Covenant...brb...well...there all manner of web pages putting the Old Convenant side by side with the New Convenant!...
Seems Christians, Moslems, Mormons, et al, went about some thunder stealing!
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Have you an arm like God? or can you thunder with a voice like him?
Job
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and the context...the whole passage...has this!...
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15 “Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 “Behold now, his strength in his loins And his power in the muscles of his belly. 17 “He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. 18 “His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. 19 “He is the first of the ways of God; Let his maker bring near his sword. 20 “Surely the mountains bring him food, And all the beasts of the field play there. 21 “Under the lotus plants he lies down, In the covert of the reeds and the marsh. 22 “The lotus plants cover him with shade; The willows of the brook surround him. 23 “If a river rages, he is not alarmed; He is confident, though the Jordan rushes to his mouth. 24 “Can anyone capture him when he is on watch, With barbs can anyone pierce his nose?
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and from wiki
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There is a legend that the Leviathan and the Behemoth shall hold a battle at the end of the world. The two will finally kill each other, and the surviving men will feast on their meat. According to midrash recording traditions, it is impossible for anyone to kill a behemoth except for the person who created it, in this case the God of the Hebrews. A later Jewish haggadic tradition furthermore holds that at the banquet at the end of the world, the behemoth will be served up along with the Leviathan and Ziz.
Behemoth also appears in the Apocryphal Book of Enoch, giving the following description of this monster's origins there mentioned as being male, as opposed to the female Leviathan:
"And that day will two monsters be parted, one monster, a female named Leviathan in order to dwell in the abyss of the ocean over the fountains of water; and (the other), a male called Behemoth, which holds his chest in an invisible desert whose name is Dundayin, east of the garden of Eden." - 1 Enoch 60:7-8
Behemoth also appears in the Apocryphal Book of Enoch, giving the following description of this monster's origins there mentioned as being male, as opposed to the female Leviathan:
"And that day will two monsters be parted, one monster, a female named Leviathan in order to dwell in the abyss of the ocean over the fountains of water; and (the other), a male called Behemoth, which holds his chest in an invisible desert whose name is Dundayin, east of the garden of Eden." - 1 Enoch 60:7-8
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oh...gotta look up Dundayin!
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The Bible and Science:Are Dinosaurs Mentioned in the Bible?
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A banquet at the end of the world?...perhaps at the restauant at the end of the universe...
I will come back to some of this when I do up the post on the film Eye of the Tiger with Jane Seymore...the Leviathan Behemoth battle!...
Oh...I wont sleep if I dont look up Ziz...brb...
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The ziz (Hebrew: זיז) is a giant bird in Jewish mythology, said to be large enough to be able to block out the sun with its wingspan
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Well...zzzzzzzzz wont be the same!
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Some say that the ziz was created to protect all of the birds and that if the ziz did not exist, then all the smaller birds on Earth would be helpless and killed.The Ziz is also an immortal creature that terrified the people that entered its territory and those who killed birds.[
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and this...what's in a name?
Geronimo (Chiricahua: Goyaałé, "one who yawns"; often spelled Goyathlay or Goyahkla[1] in English) (June 16, 1829–February 17, 1909) was a prominent Native American leader of the Chiricahua Apache who defended his people against the encroachment of the United States on their tribal lands for over 25 years.
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